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This interview features key researchers discussing a novel approach to AI development and superintelligence.
David Silver and Lasse Espeholt of Ineffable Intelligence: A Superlearner for the Age of Experience
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David Silver and Lasse Espeholt of Ineffable Intelligence discuss their plan to build a "superlearner." This AI agent will learn science, math, and language through direct experience, not pre-training. Silver argues human language reasoning has limits and advocates for simulated coexistence with superintelligence. Espeholt details the necessary GPU infrastructure.
Two AI researchers are building a "superlearner" that starts knowing nothing. It will discover science and language by experiencing the world, like a baby. This could lead to smarter AI than today's systems.
This episode offers insight into a novel approach to AI development, moving beyond current LLM paradigms. It's for researchers and AI enthusiasts interested in fundamental AI progress and the future of superintelligence. The focus on learning from experience and questioning human language as a foundation connects to current debates in frontier labs about scaling and emergent capabilities.
- HostSequoia Capital
- GuestDavid SilverCo-founder, Ineffable Intelligence
- GuestLasse EspeholtCo-founder, Ineffable Intelligence
- Guest: David Silver and Lasse Espeholt
- Show: Training Data
- Length: 68 minutes
- AlphaGo Zero improvement: Surpassed AlphaGo in under two days after removing human data.
- Ineffable Intelligence goal: Build a "superlearner" that learns through direct experience.
- Silver's forecast: Strong evidence of superintelligence within a year, achieved in three.
David Silver spent two years building AlphaGo on human data. When he removed human data altogether building AlphaGo Zero, the AI surpassed AlphaGo in under two days. He left DeepMind to run that same bet in pursuit of superintelligence. David and Lasse Espeholt, co-founders of Ineffable Intelligence, explain their plan to build a “superlearner”—an agent that starts knowing nothing and discovers science, mathematics, and language for itself by direct experience instead of through a pre-training run. Silver argues that human-language reasoning is a ceiling, not a foundation, that alignment via chain-of-thought monitoring is already reaching its limits, and that the science of how superintelligences coexist should be worked out in simulation before anything touches the real world. Espeholt describes the GPU cluster and the lineage from IMPALA and SEED RL that makes the experiment possible. Silver’s forecast: strong evidence within a year, superintelligence in three.
Hosted by Sonya Huang, Sequoia Capital
0:00 – Introduction
1:09 – What held true from Go to today, and what the LLM era changed
3:35 – Why leave DeepMind to start a new lab
5:58 – Why "Ineffable" (and the secret second reason)
7:03 – Lasse's path: scaling RL at DeepMind and Google Brain
9:31 – Defining a super learner and first contact
12:35 – Super learners vs. LLMs that make discoveries
13:59 – Day to day: the RL stack, crucibles and human-journey milestones
16:13 – Don't breadcrumb the objective: simple rewards, emergent complexity
21:16 – What a crucible looks like
24:14 – Go: one agent is boring, two is infinite
25:41 – Will agents rediscover language?
27:22 – Removing human priors: AlphaGo to AlphaZero
32:05 – Keeping human bias out of the crucibles
33:35 – Confidence, timing and super forecasting
36:24 – Is compute the driver?
38:13 – The ceiling on simulation and Rich Sutton's objection
43:44 – Alignment and the science of superintelligence
47:45 – Monitoring agents that don't think in English
51:01 – Pacing the frontier
52:54 – The compute setup: Vera Rubin on GCP
55:18 – Training, inference, simulation and RL scaling laws
57:40 – IMPALA and SEED RL
1:00:58 – 20 people and the compute-per-person ratio
1:04:49 – A research-led culture
1:05:47 – Predictions
- superlearner
- David Silver
- An AI that learns everything from scratch by experiencing the world, like a baby, instead of being fed lots of data upfront.
- RL stack
- Lasse Espeholt
- The set of tools and systems used to train AI agents using reinforcement learning, where the AI learns by trial and error.
- crucibles
- David Silver
- Simulated environments or challenges designed to test and train an AI agent in specific scenarios.
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Questions people ask
- What is a "superlearner"?
- It's an AI agent that starts knowing nothing and discovers science, mathematics, and language for itself through direct experience.
- Why did David Silver leave DeepMind?
- He left to pursue his bet on building AI through direct experience, aiming for superintelligence with Ineffable Intelligence.
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