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This episode features researchers from Goodfire discussing novel interpretability and alignment techniques.
Don't Fight Backprop: Goodfire's Vision for Intentional Design, w/ Dan Balsam & Tom McGrath
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Dan Balsam and Tom McGrath from Goodfire discuss their new Intentional Design research pillar on The Cognitive Revolution podcast. They explore moving beyond sparse autoencoders to understanding latent space geometry and reducing AI hallucinations. The conversation covers reward hacking, shaping loss landscapes, and aligning powerful models, alongside Goodfire's commercial and public benefit work.
AI researchers discuss a new way to build smarter AI by intentionally shaping how it learns, rather than just trying to fix its mistakes. This could help make AI more reliable and less prone to unexpected behaviors.
This episode offers a deep dive into advanced AI interpretability techniques, moving beyond current alignment strategies. It's for researchers and engineers interested in mechanistic interpretability and novel approaches to AI safety. The discussion on "Intentional Design" and shaping loss landscapes provides a different perspective on aligning models, relevant to ongoing work at labs like Anthropic and Google Gemini.
- HostNathan Labenz
- GuestDan BalsamGoodfire
- GuestTom McGrathGoodfire
- Episode Title: Don't Fight Backprop: Goodfire's Vision for Intentional Design, w/ Dan Balsam & Tom McGrath
- Show: The Cognitive Revolution
- Length: 107 minutes
- New Research Pillar: Intentional Design
- Proof-of-concept method: Reducing hallucinations using probes and RL
Dan Balsam and Tom McGrath from Goodfire return to explore the frontier of mechanistic interpretability and their new research pillar, Intentional Design. They explain the shift from sparse autoencoders to understanding geometric structure in latent spaces, and share a proof-of-concept method for reducing hallucinations using probes and RL. The conversation tackles concerns about reward hacking, principles for shaping the loss landscape instead of fighting backprop, and what this means for aligning powerful models. They also discuss recent Goodfire results on Alzheimer’s prediction, disentangling memorization vs reasoning weights, and how they balance commercial growth with a public benefit mission.
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- Interpretability for Alzheimer's biomarker detection
- You and Your Research Agent
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- Discovering rare behaviors with model diff
- Priors in time for interpretability
- Belief dynamics in in-context learning
- Mixing mechanisms in language models
- Sparse autoencoder scaling with manifolds
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