Dwarkesh Podcast
Two-hour interviews with the researchers and founders shaping the frontier, prepared like exams.
Best episodes
AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
WithJohn Schulman, Beren Millidge, Charlie O’Neill
Latest
Ryan Greenblatt – What happens once AI can automate AI research?
WithRyan Greenblatt
Grant Sanderson – AI and the future of math
WithGrant Sanderson
All 37 episodes

Si Sheppard – How did a few hundred Spanish soldiers topple two empires?
History shows how small, technologically advanced forces can topple empires, a lesson relevant to today's AI race.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsSi Sheppard (military historian)

Noam Brown – Agent swarms, alignment, & recursive self-improvement
Explore AI agent swarms and alignment strategies with Noam Brown.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsNoam Brown

AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
AI researchers debate recursive self-improvement, offering a glimpse into the AI frontier.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsJohn Schulman, Beren Millidge, Charlie O’Neill

Ajeya Cotra – Inside the OpenAI agent swarm that hacked Hugging Face
Learn how AI agents collaborated to hack Hugging Face and what it means for future AI safety.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAjeya Cotra (researcher, METR)

The rise and fall of agent civilizations
Explore the theoretical evolution and potential collapse of AI agent civilizations.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

Dylan Patel – Anthropic & OpenAI will have most of the world’s compute by 2028
AI compute consolidation and its potential global financial fallout.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsDylan Patel

Ryan Greenblatt – What happens once AI can automate AI research?
AI could rapidly self-improve, leading to superintelligence and automated research within a decade.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsRyan Greenblatt (Chief Scientist, Redwood Research)

8 Predictions for the Era of Continual Learning
AI's future hinges on continual learning; this episode maps out eight key predictions.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

Why smarter AI models could drive up compute prices 10x
Smarter AI models may drive compute prices up tenfold.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

Adam Brown – A deep but accessible introduction to general relativity
Understand general relativity and AI's potential for scientific discovery.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAdam Brown (Google DeepMind)

Grant Sanderson – AI and the future of math
AI's math progress shows what's coming for all fields.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsGrant Sanderson

The next big breakthrough will be AIs learning on the job
AI models may soon learn continuously, improving on the job like humans.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

The data black hole at the center of AI
AI progress hinges on data efficiency, not just scale.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

Ada Palmer – Machiavelli is the most misunderstood thinker of all time
Understand Machiavelli's true intentions and historical context.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAda Palmer

Alex Imas and Phil Trammell – What remains scarce after AGI?
Understand AGI's economic impact and inequality risks with expert economists.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAlex Imas, Phil Trammell

Reiner Pope – Chip design from the bottom up
Understand how AI hardware works, from logic gates to GPUs, with a former Google TPU architect.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsReiner Pope (CEO, MatX)

Eric Jang – Building AlphaGo from scratch
Understand AI's future by rebuilding AlphaGo with modern tools and exploring RL in LLMs.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsEric Jang

David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution
Human evolution sped up recently, not slowed down, with major changes in the Bronze Age.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsDavid Reich

Reiner Pope – The math behind how LLMs are trained and served
Understand LLM math and infrastructure to decode frontier lab strategies.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsReiner Pope (CEO, MatX)

Jensen Huang – TPU competition, why we should sell chips to China, & Nvidia’s supply chain moat
Nvidia's CEO discusses chip competition, China sales, and supply chain dominance.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsJensen Huang (Nvidia)

Michael Nielsen – How science actually progresses
Understand how science truly advances, even when experiments are unclear or delayed.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsMichael Nielsen

Terence Tao – Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
Learn how slow, human judgment drove scientific discovery, challenging AI's fast-loop assumptions.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsTerence Tao

Dylan Patel — Deep dive on the 3 big bottlenecks to scaling AI compute
Understand the core hardware limits slowing AI progress and shaping its future economics.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsDylan Patel (founder, SemiAnalysis)

The most important question nobody's asking about AI
AI's power may inherently favor surveillance, questioning who it truly serves.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

Why Leonardo was a saboteur, Gutenberg went broke, and Florence was weird – Ada Palmer
History shows tech adoption is slow and messy, not instant.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAda Palmer (historian, novelist, and composer, University of Chicago)

Dario Amodei — "We are near the end of the exponential"
Anthropic's CEO sees AGI within years, discussing scaling, economics, and profitability.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsDario Amodei (Anthropic)

Elon Musk — "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”
Musk envisions space as the cheapest AI hub within three years.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsElon Musk

Adam Marblestone — AI is missing something fundamental about the brain
AI needs neuroscience to understand how brains learn so much from so little.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAdam Marblestone (CEO, Convergent Research)

Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)
AI progress and its economic impact discussed, from scaling to intelligence explosions.
HostsDwarkesh Patel

Sarah Paine — Why Russia Lost the Cold War
Understand the Soviet collapse to grasp today's geopolitical shifts and AI's role.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsSarah Paine

Ilya Sutskever — We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research
Ilya Sutskever explains AI's move from scaling to research and AGI safety.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsIlya Sutskever (SSI)

Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella details massive AI datacenters and AGI business strategies.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsSatya Nadella (CEO, Microsoft)

Sarah Paine — How Russia sabotaged China's rise
Understand how Stalin's actions historically shaped China's development path.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsSarah Paine (military historian)

Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away
AGI is a decade out, but AI's impact will be gradual and profound.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsAndrej Karpathy

Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable
Life's origins are chemically inevitable, with complex cells being the real challenge.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsNick Lane

Some thoughts on the Sutton interview
Understand Geoffrey Hinton's latest AI insights on learning methods and their implications.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsGeoffrey Hinton

Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead end
Reinforcement learning pioneer Richard Sutton argues LLMs are a dead end, advocating for continual learning architectures.
HostsDwarkesh PatelGuestsRichard Sutton (Father of Reinforcement Learning, Turing Award winner)
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